With Trump back in power it is all too easy to lose hope. As the guest in today’s episode of Policy Voices says, the next few years are going to be “a wild ride”. Nonetheless, there may be some silver linings when it comes to peace, security and defence. For example, as Rose Gottemoeller puts it: NATO countries are in a much better place than they were in 2016 when Trump first took office. Listen to the first episode of the series of Policy Voices on How to Not Lose Hope Under Trump 2.0 where host Catarina Vila Nova sat down with Rose Gottemoeller, former deputy secretary general of NATO, and former under secretary for arms control and international security at the U.S. Department of State.

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